What I wanted to share were some moments around the time that I knew Alexa, um, in a more, uh, more closely hanging out together in the, in the wireless, um, community in the community wireless. I'm in London, so this is probably, if my memory serves me right, something like 2002, 2008 or so. I think it's like the 60s man. Um, so I wanted to, yeah, so I kind of wanted to mention about something that is, I suppose, you know, when a person lives in a place, um, the pace becomes part of them and, and their community. And I wanted to talk about some of the communities that were around and what we were doing together, uh, and, and also what Alexa, Alexa drove in that. So, yeah. So it's about, it's about wireless and, and things. So I don't want it to show you some of the community and some of the places, uh, and people that were there. So let me show you the next slide. It'll make more sense, I think. Okay. So this is a bit of East London, um, where we were based. Um, so, um, up here was a mute, uh, down over here, we have, well what's called here 20th century, but it would Limehouse town hall.

Uh, and so here we're talking about a kind of, I think like a three kilometer distance, two kilometer, something, I don't know quite a long way. Uh, and arts catalyst here was near nearby to where meat was and brick lane, T V one. I really can't remember who they are. Um, and yes, AFCO things. So it was these people in these places, um, and, uh, a zoomed out map, which has a lot more free to air on it. And of course includes Ray lab. So Ray lab, I'm sure has a lot of, you know, but this was where Alexa was based. So we were trying to connect these different places, probably over about a three or four kilometer distances. Um, so to show you some of the places, uh, so this was an ambient TV up North. I don't know what they were doing here, but it's great. Something was happening. Like if only we could be, um, yeah.

Well, I was thinking more of the gossip. I want to know what was yes. So yes, this was, this was cutting PVC, uh, poles to make aerials. So Alexa, Alexa is, as you'll hear over the evening, there are many, many, uh, parts to Alexa. Uh, but this part was cutting PVC pipes to make aerials. So without him doing this type of stuff, um, we wouldn't have these aerials. So these were directional areas. They create a signal that goes out from that spiral. And of course we were trying to connect these different places. So this was ambient TV. Um, and of course we're interested in what we could see from the buildings because we wanted to connect the different places. Um, ah, yes, look a good store of them. So you could see we're trying to make here, you know, maybe a nine or so. So it was pretty ambitious, like, um,

and of course the most, most of the time of the photos use, he have Alexa or him gluing stuff and helping other people glue stuff. I hear we get onto Limehouse 20th century, more and more chairs with 20th century, same aerials, different place. Uh, this was so, so a 20th century. There were people like space hijackers. There was a university of openness, there was, it was Tokidoki and in it was a branch. There were many, many things. So this is an old town hall, kind of late 19th century abandoned kind of, uh, and a lot of things happen there, including Ariel making. And of course, Oh, and here is someone who was very dear to Alexa. Uh, geo Alexa NGO just came together everywhere they were. They were like, yeah, they were like Siamese twins or something on did. Um, and of course we had to make routers, we had to make aerials, uh, spoke stuff and of course get on roofs was another big part of it.

Now here at 20th century, they did many, many things, but one, they built a replica of a glider of British prisoner of war troops in some second war bore, um, prisoner of war camp. For some reason or other in the roof, there was this glider that they'd built. Um, roof action, more reflection, more gluing. Um, but these are different places. So we, we would have things from like social centers. So this was a hack lab in place called Rampart, which was about eight, 10 buildings that were squatted, a big part of a lot of different demonstration groups. Um, so connecting these different paces, trying to, trying to do our media work and of course, Alexa is there the whole time, uh, making stuff, getting on roofs, um, with other people. This is, this is where meat was based. We were based in an old school.

Uh, and yeah, and that extended, that was part of, uh, Berlin as well. Uh, or Bellona as it was called for some time when we tried to join the two things together or do the same things in two different places. This is then at the wizards of OS. This I think is 2007. And uh, yeah, it looks like he's explaining something here and they don't know if they really getting it. Um, and I think, um, other people will know better than me. I think there's, this was the mesh network. Jamie King. There's Jamie King. Yeah. Uh, hive, hive. Hive. Sorry. Yeah. I need other people to fill in the gaps for me. I'm like, Mmm,

hello magazine.

And have I reached the end? I don't think I have. Maybe I have reached the end. I don't know. It's not clicking anymore. Okay. Maybe I've reached the end. I thought there were more. Um, but yeah, so it was a very hectic time. We were, I mean, you know, if, uh, if you told someone now there wasn't, there was never any wifi, they'd be like, what? How is that possible? Um, uh, you know, you had to make your own aerials literally. Um, and, and, yeah, and I suppose, um, uh, yeah, it was, uh, Alexa is, uh, contributions his driving his know how his enthusiasm, he's willing to get it done that, that made it happen. And um, and yeah. So yeah, for me, um, yeah, it's about this community that he was connecting. And just as a, an anecdote, um, I wanted, I want, I can I get a web browser up?

I'm sure I can call or do you want someone else? I need someone to help me figure out the track pad thing. So like a, so something very interesting happens. So there's lots of ways that this kind of rip pulled out in different ways. So, uh, for some reason or somehow or other, it happened at, uh, the line. Yeah. Limehouse has town hall, a person called Thomas crag did the first, um, book sprint I suppose of sorts, which was, um, wireless networks in the developing world. Now this has gone on to have like 2 million plus downloads. I'm sure it's maybe 3 million now. It's, it's huge. But so yeah, if those things hadn't been happening, it hadn't connected. Uh, um, yeah. Yeah. It was kind of something, Oh

yeah. Or just like

yeah, I'll work it out. And I think this will kind of wrap it up for me at least for now anyway, just to show you. Yeah. Okay. So this has been going, this is a couple of, in multiple translations, men that people are put in infrastructures all around the world, uh, for in a whole variety of countries and really just, yeah. Grown on its own and gone off. So yeah. Thank you. Alexa. Thank you.

It was easy to use.

It was even used recently in um, a European funded research project called net commons, which studied community wireless networks across Europe and the world. And it was used as a reference document for later publications that came out that included economic business models of wifi networks to mesh technologies that we used. And even earlier.

Yeah.

Okay. So I'm going to hand over to someone else. The next mystery person. Who is that person?

Oh, by the way, the proceedings are fairly, yeah. Ad hoc, ad hoc networking in a very old school way. So if anyone wants to join in or have a comment at any time, please feel free to consider that. Raise your hands or just grab the microphone off. Anyone who hasn't,

do you need your laptop? I need some other to ones. Whatever you more comfortable with. Let's, let's try the USB stick. Yeah. Maybe we can put the Ray back.

Hello everyone. Um, I am coming from a different, uh, story and different backgrounds. I've known Alexie for I think 30 years from now. Um, am I, uh, understandable. Okay, thanks. Okay, so let us put up some, uh, content, uh, on the screen so we could, uh, I could tell you my story. That is my part of the story, which starts actually back in 1989.

Tell you what you talk.

Okay, good. So let's, yeah, let me see. So it's

this one? Yeah, sure. Okay. Maybe you put up on the browser right there. Do you want this or do you want, do you want Ray land?

Yeah, I want to show a couple of pictures just, and just start the story with this one. This.

Okay, good. Do you want write up first one? I know that you said would read out in the browser. Yep. Okay.

Okay. So let me tell yourself in about a or possibly have seen this name. As many people know, REL EP as a place in London as a, as a nod, as initiative. Uh, but trail is started actually, uh, in something completely different is a collaboration which was built around, uh, uh, different types of technology. And application of his into the arts in different ways. And actually the,

let's see, sorry, just let me check. What would you mind? Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. This is a photo from 19 nine to one and a on this photo, Alexi is playing this a Thurman device, which he made himself to get the, this actually to get it to somebody else in Moscow and on the squat on Petracca street, which was like also a hop is so kind of initiative taking place and the creative stuff going on. And that's where actually a old corporation started. Then he came to Amsterdam, a Wilson festival. There are some, I think it was some of his time, uh, like media, art, interactive art. And so, so he came is this device and he, uh, you know, does everybody know what was Thurman devices? It's like there's some thing. So, but of course you probably know it is this little box with antennas on two sides. We should play and great some music. But of course for was not enough. So for him, the theremin device would be something which will consume the whole space. So he made this thing, which would be the size of this room is three huge antennas. And you could actually remove a needs of woman's degrade, the sounds so created texture, the space in which you wanted to.

That was one thing. And then the second thing, okay, so what do you do? Busy. You have the sound too. You want to do something else? So it's, so he asked me, uh, to build some interface for AIDS, do some lights. And so that's what we did a couple of times. And this when our corporation started and the, and the thing, this is the actually physically

Oh, next. This one. Okay. Yeah.

Well, yeah. So physically this is the very first device Alexa made himself. There's a picture of it. The very first one.

So, um,

so that's the one that you came to Amsterdam in 1990 you one 92 the thing,

uh,

see if I could show some interiors. Now I don't have it, but anyway, so this is a, it was the beginning. You know, you could, you must've mentioned, I mean, most everybody knows this time it was like nineties, early nineties. You had the Soviet union with all its structures, institutions and industry, which sort of collapsed in. And uh, at that moment a lot of technology, it became sort of accessible, very low, very expensive technology, high end technology. Like you can all sensory things, laser salt, the stuff you could get it very cheap if you knew the ways you knew the people after this thing. It was like quite successful. This collaborate with these couple things, what's fun to do it and then decide, okay, let's try talk called corporate. And he went back to Russia and uh, at some point I think 92, it was still, he calls me and tells me, you know, graph of, uh, what do you think about lasers?

Uh, I don't know. I never to tell something is lasers might be interesting. So I did a little research just to figure, just to figure it out. It's like incredibly expensive and you know, you need to be like this high end rock band Geneses or whatever. Deep purple, pink Floyd to use. The latest in your show said, uh, uh, could get a cheap, you know, you only get 1 million rubles and the murals was like maybe a couple thousand dollars. I mean it was something measurable said, but well it's the kind of operation, so we need to do this operation, but okay, you need to get this money, we need to send a computer to Moscow and all this kind of strange stuff, you know?

Uh,

so operation took place. It was like distro section thing is uh, all kinds of weird situations involved at exit, driving in the old lotta to factory buying even cash, 1 million cash to whoever. And uh, eventually it will just machine build and uh, in one of these institutions in Moscow, like a research Institute for radio optics, whatever, it was quite a challenge to get it out to first to start with, to get it out of, uh, this editorial of this Institute and then to get it to Netherlands. So how do you do that call? You sold the tissue, of course you get extra technology. But the other thing is, okay, how are you pretty good here? So, and as a, as an artist though, you will know every creative source. Say, okay, you know, it's a, I'm an artist and it's my sculpture. It's a kinetic sculpture memory of scribing.

You know the scrap, it was the Russian composer Khalif like in the early 20th century. So, and that's a, that's the way if you go to actually do stuff to dental Lance and then the basically a, that's called a what later was called already started and it's got different name throws it all scald for till 1995 we had the name floorboard Borica so far. Technology. And that's the name of the beach. So just to show you a bit of politics, this is laser goggles you took from Russia together with the laser, the original ones, he still has them actually, they're still in London. It's someplace to heat. He kept them in the rail there. I think a lot of people have seen the

so, and um, so that period, uh,

what did we need to, I mean, of course you will get laser, have fun and everything. So, but even so I had this idea, you know, you have access to all this technology, you could do a lot of stuff. Is it? So what you do visit, I mean, nobody knew what to do, visit. There were no war conversion programs, nothing. So, so this whole laborious of our technology as a group was from Toronto DOK. Okay. We get the technology out of this institution and make it accessible to the artists, to practitioners who use it. He took it to they've it to theater of a Dick for installations. We take it to the galleries, whatever. So the focus of work was okay with you take technology, which was not accessible before and the bring into into the completely different contexts. We did lasers, we did night vision devices, we did all kinds of sensory installations with interferometry. So all these kinds of greatest stuff. That's what we did in the Netherlands and Amsterdam up to 1995 when Alexi moved to London.

And um, yeah,

well short way you inserted the one, uh, the video offer. It was good. I use it

this, uh,

well, sorry, salt my laptop trenches.

That's fine. What's that? I need to go here and to show a video. Okay. Oh, it's there. It's another screen jewel screen. Right? I see. Okay. I got it. Yeah, it was there already. So I'm just going to find them

just as a restoration of what kind of stuff you did to, to let you,

no, this one would be, you'll see, you will see is fine. Yeah. Okay.

So, uh, no, I don't think so. I don't think that it sounds so actually, uh, it wasn't a, the gallery artist MEGT in Moscow, uh, sorry, in Amsterdam and uh, it was called the, an exhibition called the inventors. It also bottles it illogical artists in Netherlands in those like late eighties, early nineties. Well, many people, they're also from Spain. And so we were approached and said, okay, could you make an installation? So is all the stuff, so a dibbles. Okay. So,

Mmm.

Okay. How do you make something, which on the one hand is illogically interesting. Like use the solar stuff and on the other hand does appeal to imagination to the things. So, I mean, it was technologable sensory sensors. They're the extension of your vision, you're feeling sexually, you get access to information. We should all have. So liking for a spectrum, that's what you get. So we had this room, it balled like a thing, 15 by 15 meters

and uh, uh,

and the stealing the ball assesses little lasers like about 20 of them, uh, which would measure like should the triggers in network of

uh,

and each sensor was uh, actually playing the sound. So actually the idea was the creator librarian of salt in the space you book through eater, you have to decipher the message which you get there. So actually you walk one from sent to another and see if hear the word you walked to the next one, the infrared lasers or then you could see yourself, actually it's the infrared cameras to use a little monitor there. And you see these doors and things that actually, uh, uh, like the pieces of black Glofish, which is Blake in a normal light. But infrared is like white, completely white is totally reflective. So you could work with this material which has different properties in different part of spectrum. And then we create this, Vivint made this like made all this stuff and monitor and they had this message which was from lousy actionable scolds. Uh, what's your cap is nothing but it's better if your show off something that it could be put to use or other way around. Something like that. So the idea was that people work in this salt laboring, so it was a South lumber infusing for red scammer vision and his cameras, his backgrounds, which actually show different parts of relative you should only you don't experience before. So this is like typical project we did in those days. Like early nineties in Amsterdam.

Yup.

Okay. Plus fun. A lot of fun. Yeah. This stuff is, Sarah means like antennas with sensory. So it was always like inventing about Alexa. I mean Sarah man, it's about uh, electromagnetic face propagation six, the waves, the whole thing, what the spectrum was. So energy, a lot of magnetism, the fields, what is it? Uh, so he's a, he's a patient for that. It was, it was there from the beginning. So in that sense, I think that transition later, like in London, but he did of course, he did many other things like all this multimedia stuff, sensors, lots of sensors like old your own thing. It would be this BAFTA award for it. And then this what we have just seen this whole antenna and spectrum stuff. So I think to me it was very logical that he software arrived to that from this his idea if you need TVs, okay, what is the free uh, uh, wifi? What is spectrum was right, but what does the waves, what's the nature of the waves? So,

uh,

okay. So let's move to the next.

Yes, yes. Okay. That's all right. It's over there. I'm sorry. Yup. Okay. All right. Um, no offline. Just find it a thing. That's okay. Um,

so I think gonna make a little jump because the likes like a well, different periods of my corporation was that exposes some Saddam period and early Amsterdam period, like till 99. We did a lot of stuff. You saw some, uh, videos in the, in the, in this real barrier Verbier which was running when you, everybody was entered. And it's about this stuff. It, it was dangerous. And then I think, um, look at this break in our relationship, like all the break relationship. And then at some point he came to me, it was 2005 to Amsterdam. He said, you know, graph, there is this whole thing. I'm really, uh, it's very interesting. Uh, and it's about this, uh, wireless networks, all these devices and all this stuff. Would you want to join? So that was, so what do you think? Like, so if you can make sure just to, to share some ideas and to try to get me again involved in all these things he was doing. So, and about the time he was collaborating this, uh, take 20, 30. It's

uh, let's see.

sure. Yeah. This one goals

over there. Yeah.

Well, I think your people here.

Yup. Yup. Yeah, let's make it's okay. Yeah.

So he showed me this picture and said, would you like to join?

So I said, yeah, why not? Okay. I said yes. I mean it's just, it's uh, and uh, uh,

I think Julie is, she's, she's here and that's, thanks to hear that we are all here together. She will see she initiated this whole thing. So, uh, I don't know cause Berlin or London, but it was a thing which she was exploring this whole way of connectivity spectrum like spread and antenna's supposed to really are like completely his stuff.

Uh, and that's time and um, uh, Oh yeah. Okay. So,

okay. So I've gone to be a Gumby. Jump into your, won't take much of your time because I'm going back to, this is 2006 sea bass is right here. So that's a now into the interdis hype period. What's half network calls

and uh,

have networks. Uh, the know, there are few people here who know when you are. Like it was like 2005, six, seven, eight, probably till 2008 that you need the Chapin. This initiative was actually a very active, it was actually funded by our council Finland first as a research project and the later was a full scale funding to do a lot of stuff like go around to develop the Kita and all the things and uh,

aye

want to show you. Okay. No, no, no. It's something else. Completely different. I'm going,

Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. Yes, I'm here. Yeah. Okay. Um, Oh yeah. Okay. I think I'm sorry. Yeah, I think this, uh, this event. Okay. So I have to go, yes, yes. Okay. Sorry.

So if you go back to,

yeah,

so go back 2005, this is the lime calls in London is a conference about, uh, the uh, wireless access, open open source software and everything I've said and all of, there are a few, I think James must have been there. Some of you people who have makeup in there. And it's the Limehouse Nope. Yeah. vSphere works summit three information infrastructure.

Yup. Yup.

Is that my message? So, uh, lamb calls, so, and that's some people there and it's, let's see. It's actually the first hive crew. It's a Alexie. It's me and Bruce,

I think. Uh,

and this is some of this, uh, the start from the period, which were like bits and pieces of all kinds of, um, you guys be a infrastructure and what I want, sorry, just the double screens I have to deal with. Is that,

Oh yeah. So I actually,

I want to show a

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh,

okay. Just want to show all this prison presentation. We detection alarm calls just to get your idea of what you're working on the days. Let's see, where is this?

I don't know. Anyways. Okay.

Just go like this. Uh, 2nd of October, 2005.

Uh, no, just notes. Let's see. Okay. All right. Probably a full screen. That's okay. Yeah.

Sorry. Just going back and times like what is it 15 years ago. But the thing, some ideas we had the will part of have those days are still a maybe more like short these days. And it used to be and uh,

Mmm.

Couple of words, embedded devices, ubiquitous computing, multifaceted of some native devices, uh, tools that enable users to manage space, tie inbound, that and self and everything. So there was quite a big dream and big commission to do something visited. Oh yeah, let's see. Page down.

Nope. Nope, you're good.

Love relapse. So it was basic idea. The vision then was Acacia. They all went towards the through PC and then to embedded where everything is connected and the differences. You have this person, the user, which is actually the human being in a center. And then, uh, it was a bald relationship. Okay. Which relationship do you have as a human, uh, between your visual environment and the feature?

Mmm.

And then what's the role? Is it technology? Should it play in, in this goal, a relationship and the, where should the center would be? Because in those days, actually this was a lot of attention, of course, to build an infrastructure. Beckwith was not there yet in many aspects and have networks was not about that. It was

Oh Kate, what happens?

Yeah. Okay.

and in those days, like a, I mean it was very early days on stuff. So we thought, okay, if you take these three basic principles, we take like open source a software behave, we take the uh, open hardware path from each should code, could be available and we then we take this, uh, what's there, it's uh, all your hardware and on the open spectrum there it is the open spectrum, the VP. So these are two elephants, these three LMS like basic a cornerstone, the software. You could build a infrastructure and which is sexually and not corporate bound. You could build infrastructure, which is the basis. So for this community approach to uh, different things. And one of the things that we'll then put, I think was the ownership. Like, okay, who owns the owns it, whose whole thing is it?

Then the,

I also a couple of slides, these, these, so this is like a sense of high power.

We do it. So and uh,

yeah. You had one action. Yeah, the true, yeah. Yeah. Action. This visa to FedEx it to a two to me in Amsterdam, he came to the UK. We need to uh, make a device. We need to do this hardware and need to dislike habit and development. They have to raise the fonts and come up is a kind of new device to do things. So then instead of us looking at Bay, what's there around tables is WRT opposite links is stuff which everybody knew those days, which was basic building block of all the wireless networks those days, the links to stuff. And then they bumped into the soften else and it was this little Oslo's device, which was a being able to get placed for hard drive and it had opens, it gets a LinuxONE 2.3, I think, kernels, nothing. And uh, there was a coal competed line of like a cord for it written by a guy from white, Russia.

Like all, like all, I could put all X firmer so you could actually get this for number, put it on your device. You could total control of everything, including your use, your connectivity. So you actually, you had access suddenly to this whole new world of possibilities, which we, you get to interface open. So it's not just basic connectivity block, which we're still there. All your older functions of routing and everything access point could be there. And above that there was a layer of connectivity and uh, capabilities of the device, which could be actually employ it in a different phase. So that was actually said, okay, then why should we go into this hardware development and do stuff? Okay. If you could start with that. So if we could find, you could maybe build like the Seco system, environmental folders, use be connected stuff. So cause it was there

and then, uh, yeah. Uh,

so those are things we did this days. A lot of futsal stuff. We tried all the scams and everything. So we got, it's all run an actually as you had this little, yeah, the two affirmer branches, the packages, we've got webcam for life, video streaming. Was there empathy services, which DP? Uh, sound devices. It was all this technical advice. It could do everything all for free. So the cost and so from there, what you've got to this ID, okay. If you own this device, you have it. If you have this access to something very, you could actually change the function of your device. And we call this full foxes personalities. It was like before the Android store or before the Apple store, we actually download the app. You choose, you run it. So that was the whole principle actually of ecosystem where you all had to have this hardware and the second to have access to the web service where you could actually download free open source package, which turn girls' your little device into anything webcam or the stream of thing, build basic building block for your home automation. Uh, you got all these things sexually running on hives. So that was part of this package we deliver towards cancer towards console is a, as a project, so well it's actually a

uh,

cross compiling big bags. So a lot of stuff like FIPs service, dot net. It's something completely different. I think it's a B gave it up last year. It was immediately taken by a two different companies. So this is shortly about hyphen just to show a couple of more peaks to around the top. And if there are questions just go on because there is more stuff. 2005, that's when we scripted this field to change, to use on this, uh,, you know, thing 2006, seven they go to training as a hive. Let's see, let me go to training as a service on web is all these mesh network as part of it, they use a, Oh, all the sir. And then there was another protocol from electro. We try to do that as well at Manor thing. I think it was Beckman, right? Yeah,

yeah. And then the

and the, there is a lot to tell. I mean nickel gone forever. But I mean there were a few basic things and of course it looked off connectivity but not in heretical way but more mesh mesh way. But cheap notes actually makes part of certain network events to add more nodes to get more connectivity. And each device would have two things. You have basic connectivity function which would create a network, should have it spread it further just by plugging it in a second. Was this a actually a, the other part which gives you access to the functions which could the auction not only makes your elect basic infrastructure but makes it meaningful infrastructure. It could share your content, do the stuff and everything. So that was actually the essence, a shortlist of the hive. So

sort of server that you could, you could connect it. This super tiny machine and I had like I think a hard drive from a gen two machine that I had re fleshed with these an inside this as a hard drive. So I had the huge server that you could just connect and, and share a gigas and gigas of material with everyone. And then also having served I think services if people connect through the browser and um, I don't know, play some applications. I don't remember exactly what was it. And then I guess they could con talk to each other if there were more than one in a, in a place and, and created a sort of local local network.

I'll show a couple of peaks again from some interfaces to build those days. This is like the main control interface where you could actually see from this main console which device recommended popup. You see media to this map, they build up the shore, what's there, Zippy address, what these personalities installed, what functions they have a network and is they all connected automatically once they see the five, they just get the built automatically the infrastructure mesh infrastructure. So this was the main interface and you could go in through the web interface into the configuration of the device and just control the whole thing basically in your, in your complete match.

And um,

couple of things, just general ideas, you know, like how it should be, the infrastructure, communication provision and content gateway. It's all used to be based. Of course those days, there was nothing else. Show me some peaks, media peg. This is the, you know, this famous belt in famous bells. Some people have owned, I've seen, you know,

and um,

GPS services and other projects is hidden history projects. We check, should they consider top FM broadcast facilities. You could visit your here, use your old mobile phone, is Bluetooth upload the Trek or anything speaking to takes. It will automatically do the FM broadcast locally over the area. You could define. So all this kind of across a Ben transitions and other concepts, arenas, Colonel open WRT and all the stuff which built above it.

Oh yeah. This is a severe, this is your work. It's a district 20 carte festival. 2007. We had this life thing. These people were in this space. Go on the streets like collecting data, like being in this, you know, like active, like streamers and everything coming together into the system, being processed and combined with some uh, V2 in Rotterdam and stuff. Another one. Yeah. This is this hive pig discolored look like, you know, everything works. And inside there is this summer these little puzzles device, which actually makes them match. So you walk around and is like five, six people. You create a mesh network automatically just walk in there all day, you stream to this main location. So this kind of experiments we do those days.

Yeah, it was fun basically. So

anyways, I mean I could go on forever, but I think I was told for now just give over my microphone to whoever wants to take it over. So

yeah, ambitious for cute. He's hugely ambitious and as I recall, you know, it, it stumbled through all of his difficulties in, um, you know, and just trying to prepare whereas to upload onto, um, onto routers that were difficult to get to get ahold of increasingly as this manufacturer, I think the, I, the ISIS stuff became scares. Um, and obviously, um, the attack and service and expectations just blossomed. And it wasn't long before people were looking at their phones with envy and trying to get their internet connection through the commercial providers as they were. And I wish this almost sort of foretold in a way by, by a few years. Um, yeah,

yeah, true. And actually yeah, this is the classic and actually what, what, what uh, I think partly a simplicity. I mean of course we had to use do these because there was no device on the market. It was nothing which had no personal personalities. Like you had this hardware, you bought a device, it was all oldest chip, you've all device. It was something else in business you could buy one device and configure it to whatever you be showing you needed to have is like ports and everything. So the whole concept of like you consumer device and everything, it was by these, we tried to go around it, you know, of course later what you go do, you call this app store, you've got iPhone, which get old everything in it. You got the app store and you've got majority markets. So this technology breakthrough, I mean we were talking about okay, could they get it together in one little device? Handheld is all the functions, but we could not find funding for that. So basically that's a

yes,

but the concepts that usable basically there it was, it was around those days,

so. Okay, thank you. That's fantastic. Let's look at all those images as well. I've never seen that one.

Thank you. Grapple.

do I want to say a few things? Julie's very keen for us to have a discussion with some of the people who were involved in some of the, uh, community wireless network development. And I'm just as standby standing around watching you've led him here to talk about his involvement. Uh, Judy and priests just turned up. He and Julian where I am, he's hanging out, hanging back there somewhere.

Fantastic electricity had, come on. See then, Hey, come on down. It's your time in the spotlight. Get back, get, get behind the mixing, get out from behind the mixing desk and the IP lounge and come on down here and show you.

Well, I mean from, from, from my perspective, um, you know, as we started out, sit down. I'm going to sit on here. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Good. Yeah, I think so much better.

Julian and I were, we were working in a, in a small street in South of the river near London bridge, Julianne in one building and myself and many others, another building called a Winchester Wolf. And, uh, we, uh, we've been fortunate earlier in the middle of the nineties to get some lice, very early web work, and we had a fiber connection into the building and we're very keen to see shed out as widely as possible. But the legal constraints of Telekom manure meant that we couldn't throw a cable across the street even though it was very narrow. And Julian, uh, underwrote the cost of a couple of very, very primitive, um, IP radios to make the link. And so we've, we documented that and did some work through it with a few kind of, uh, yeah. Expansions of idea. Trying to think of how this, this technique, this technique was technology might service to break out of the lock into modem and, and broadband control that most other people were, uh, limited by, and we made this link across the, across the street and we started working on a, on a well expanding on a text for that which began in the end became known as consumed, consumed on that.

And um,

yeah, uh, well backspace, well, yeah, well that I think that that's this succession of previous sort of our adventures that led us to meet each other. I worked on the one side in this building, Winchester Wolf and he'll hear on the other, uh, in a commercial. Um, the Navy was running cause something called medium red, which was like a, um, yeah, multimedia production house and, but he wanted to share the link. So that was the initially to investigate what techniques would work. And so many of those, um, tools, which obviously become so ubiquitous now that we almost don't even recognize them. They're so tiny in every device. And it's difficult to imagine what the excitement, the level of excitement, the idea of being able to jump from a 54 kilobit modem to a two Meg link or even higher. It seemed very exciting. And, and the notion that you could start linking these things together and, uh, yeah, bridge out, but something that we wanted to write about and we, that we seem to sort of hit on a moment there.

Um, the, the news was well propagated and we were, it wasn't long before it was obvious that we obviously weren't the only people thinking about these things and doing them. And, um, we have, we, we began to get in contact with others, not least of all, uh, activists here in Berlin. And, uh, with the help and guidance of our, our, uh, grand peers and friends, not least, uh, almond Meadows who many of you might know, we came to Berlin with the intent of holding a meeting amongst those who were interested. And so many friendships were forged and, and have lasted long now at least the ones that, um, you know, LXC helped us, um, perpetuate because it was with his technical kind of exuberance and enthusiasm for everything to do with the social and the technical men that we, um, it helped us adapt to these environments and others where, you know, where there are, know those great expertise and a huge variety of social expectation.

All in all that needs to be cooked together in order to, you know, foster a wider kind of engagement. So we were well chuffed to come and um, it wasn't here at the time. Um, but it was, this place opened in 2000 and when, when did this room open? No, it was so maybe mixed from between here in a place called boot lab, which is a long gone and we held a long held an afternoon say afternoon and evening session there hiking architectural conference. By the way, I was unaware of that probably should it be more sensitive to that? That's, that's my area of study previously and I've kind of migrated quite a long way from that. And this kind of world. So, hi Jane, was it, sorry, I didn't, it was unaware of that. Well, it was a sort of an appropriation.

Yeah.

So, uh, was here on my left and I, I know many of you will have a marrow mess up by coming here to, to the fry fund, regular meetings on Wednesdays over the years. But her, you know, her, her, um, her impact and energy is also well, well, you know, well appreciated and felt, I mean she's done so much to sort of extend the capability of wifi in working with, uh, we mentioned Batman and there's been various innovations of that and, um, in different contexts. Um, other, other, other, uh, great innovations like the mashed potato, you know, and I know you have a, you know, wide field of interest to do with DIY use of radio and exploitation of other techniques and technologies. So, I mean, is there something you want to sort of add to that waffle?

Well, where shall I start? Uh, to me, like the early two thousands, uh, when I started to build the same type of, uh, uh, helical antennas that we've seen in the presentations before, uh, I was doing in tech support for, in the media to report from, from the struggles of people. And um, so I was interested in the technology and uh, I learned that a group five from this meeting here and place people told me, Hey, you have to go, there is something for you. And um, I had no, no imagination what would come out in the end that I would travel around the world meet some of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Amongst them them is, uh, Alex say so. And a socially involved like-minded tech savvy people with a vision. And it turned out that people were sharing this vision amongst, uh, countries and continents and just so, so lovely to see this. Oh yeah. And all this old material. Yeah. It's lovely to see it. There's so much that I've seen that I love to be shared. I guess it's already in debt. Yes, of course. Of course. I don't know who, who introduced me to the tool, but, uh, yeah, it was great.

Just some mention because I think particularly for, uh, to have this conversation here in C base, um, particularly, uh, working with electronics event and, uh, this was, uh, 2004, I think, uh, kind of reflect back to what Simon talk about around this time, the SA. Uh, and, um, actually I just come in phone, uh, you know, I just, uh, got to see the show at, uh, how's the culture of the bed or the, the network, uh, exhibition from transmedia. And somehow I feel maybe, uh, this particular wifi, if we network history seemed to be not person in this particular show. And so in a certain way, I feel we are now kind of recapping this particular history and I, I must say, uh, somehow, uh, when, uh, between London and Berlin kind of come together, isn't it? And, uh, uh, one on our part, it was a, this rich air take 2030 project, but actually with this project and, uh, uh, doing, uh, the wizard, Oh no, that was 2004. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I think, I think maybe a lot of people didn't quite understand that particular history. It's actually come over here, you are in the dark. Um, there's particular history at the time of, uh, either 18 for me coming from outside, but the quite involved, but in the beginning was more like you see the scene London and you see the scene in Berlin. And then gradually, like by 2004, we were able to merge quite a lot of these, uh, wifi network research, isn't it? So,

Oh, uh, the picture with the lunchbox computer said Alex, he had built, Oh, I remember very well. Um, uh, so mission, it working was totally experimental. We were battling with drivers locking up to computers all the time. And uh, I remember you Aleksey and you came with the, with these computers and the operating system didn't work. It was some PSD version. And so I swapped it for Linux. I wear, I remember all these. And uh, so we went to Riga with these machines. And, uh, I remember when Alex and I, we were setting up a wireless, uh, station on top of a building with some not quite legal MTV and antenna was like immensely long. So I thought, okay, maybe when that devices on, I don't want to stand too, too close to that antenna not forwards. Yeah. Well that dangerous. But uh, yeah, but um, I'm boring. You have some stupid memories. Also these helical antennas, we were also building them in, in Riga as well in the workshop. So people would build their own mesh network, but I don't know

garlic network. Anyway. Yeah. This is the garlic antenna. We will actually experiment with how garlic can transmit better. The white pie. Uh, van, you are the galley antenna expert. Come here, come here for a minute. But I would also like to introduce a Yorgen, uh, phone five phone. Uh, I think, uh, speaking of our Berlin, uh, that's, uh, in terms of the Berlin Wi-Fi, uh, moment, you know, your organ is really quite involved. Yeah. I mean the,

at the time we all met, Oh yeah, something's going on. So I think we have, to me a the event that has been mentioned several times tonight, uh, was the initiating, uh, event or celebrity or I don't know what, um, where I got to know Electra us even, but also a Adam, James, Julian and Alexei. And, uh, I mean Electra had been fiddling around with wifi as other people had been in Berlin for quite some time. You were running a loca, what was it, a low tech or can you give it a microphone?

Well, we were running one of the first hacker maker space. Well, the name or the term hacker Makerspace wasn't born yet. Yes. And, uh, we were desperately trying to get internet in the South of various sign, but we were affected by this new technology, the optical, uh, connection line for ISD. And that was not usable due to a total fucker of the German telecom for internet. So we were totally, we were trying to run an internet cafe without any internet. So the only way to give us broadband was to set up wirelessly.

Yeah. So, and I moved into this, uh, district of Berlin with this old and network and I, uh, I moved into a one of those X squatted houses and, uh, they didn't have internet. They were sharing an ISDN line. So I heard about this thing and I thought, Hmm, it would be good to learn more about wifi. And, uh, so I went there, I tried some of my, uh, tried to get also to bring some of my housemates, but they weren't interested. They thought it wouldn't work. What many people thought by the time. And uh, yeah, so, so it was a opportunity to meet people who had been working with this technology, both in Berlin and London for quite some time and they had a hell lot of knowledge, but it was also the atmosphere and the, uh, the setup of the whole event that, that, that was a completely new experience to me because, uh, if you try to flesh back into this time, it was the internet it was all about, uh, the first wave of startup economy.

And then, uh, I went into a space that it's at that time was not so familiar, even though I was a squatter, I wasn't, uh, I didn't expect actually that there were people around that had so much that were so highly scared in terms of technology and such an environment. And it was a very open and, uh, friendly teaching atmosphere where you could raise all kinds of questions and learn a hell a lot of things. People were really willing to, uh, forward their knowledge or pass their knowledge to other people. And also I wasn't aware of the political dimensions of the whole topic. And so I dropped in a conversation that was, uh, about the Pico peering agreement. Yeah. And yeah, and, and, uh, and, and in my personal life, it was, uh, it was, it made a big change to be there and then to drop into this group of people from Berlin and London. Yeah. Of course. So many of your countrymen all together in that place. First time. Yes. As I recall. Yeah. And it's, uh, I mean the fact that we are all sitting here now is also proving that it was something of importance.

And if I may, Simon and I think sea bass was critical to this as well. Sea bass was a critical node in this network. You know, there was James Alexey, myself and others interested in X, you know, really developing these social ideas using technology. And of course sea bass was a hub, a hub, allowing conversations to occur, human conversations to occur and ideas to spark which sparked fry, you know, the, the fry form movement which gave, uh, people simultaneously in, in the UK and other countries, similar ideals. So sea bass really I want to say right now is a core place that allowed the, um, the dialogue to occur between so many people interested in this at the same time to passionately talk, to network, to agree and to, and to, um, share both technical and social, um, elements of, of moving progressively forward in, in, um, more autonomous networking, more autonomous, uh, sharing of information and, and systems.

Sorry, I just wanted to add that just to highlight the peaker peering agreement, because I think that as you say, the kind of political dimension is that was I think was

kind of on all of our minds was that, you know, networks and the internet should be rent free. And we live in a rented network where we have to pay all the time. And so the Pico period and the agreement was kind of using one device, I suppose, legal device or GRI agreement device that the internet has, that when you pass traffic across a node, you allow it to pass for free. You'd, or not for free, but you don't, you don't prejudice one over the other. So there was trying to like use that framework and I think that's what Julian priest, um, kind of, uh, added. Yeah, I think that was, I think that was Julian's, if I'm, if I'm not wrong, I think that was Julian's contribution. So this for me, there's political dimension, which still stands really the internet by the Cuban government in the UK. If they could have had a Corbyn government was going to have free broadband, um, you know, we shouldn't be renting network.

Yeah. Julian. Um, hello. Yeah, it's working pretty well. Yes. So, um, yeah, Pico pairing, it was like a kind of a, it was just a, what was it exactly? It was started as a discussion that that boot Burlon um, event at boot lab and then we're in another event called them in Copenhagen. Uh, was it the same year or the year? Yes, probably the same year. I think it was about six months later. Interpolation. Yeah. I'm in a super flexes studio in, um, Nepal in Copenhagen and there'll be kind of like a, spent a few days bashing out, um, what it might mean to make a, uh, Pico pairing agreement. It's a little, it's still, I think it's still up on Pico pier, doesn't it? If you want to go and have a look.

Oh yeah. That server's still working then. It's got a slightly strange collection of localization there. Um, yeah, the Chinese version is actually Taiwanese, not Chinese, cause the guy he translated it was Taiwanese. Um, but, uh, yeah, the idea of this, um, agreement was that you could kind of, uh, make a very, uh, um, you could take a network and smash it into tiny nodes, which would share information between each other without, um, without charging. And in that way you could build a kind of large infrastructure which didn't have any kind of financial transactions going on in it. Um, and it's kind of worked in places. Um, so, uh, yeah, obviously a very different, the, um, the whole kind of internet environment at that time was very different from what what we have now. You know, now we're kind of like heavily dominated by, um, cell phone networks.

Um, and there's a whole bunch of upcoming stuff to think about that. But, um, yeah. What else can I say about that? That's probably enough. I can add to what Adam mentioned that when we met at the Allen, that's when was, uh, there as well as when please come here as well. And, uh, he gave this, I mean, so we were meeting the guys mostly of the, who of whom are sitting here and other people. And, uh, Steven gave it a home immediately because he said, ah, we can meet at the sea base. And then from that moment on, every Wednesday for very many years, we had a local meeting here at the sea bass.

Yeah. I have to tell the story. So many times. It was October 12 to 14, and um, was about on weekend. On Saturday I are trying to, uh, meeting and after and at the end of the meeting, I invite everybody to, uh, trans sea bass for socializing. Uh, on Sunday I can go back to the Babylon to watch socializing. But, uh, two weeks later we start with, uh, on a Wednesday with the wireless, know what occurred. They flew, they flew it. And uh, yeah, it's, it's something crazy wave wireless LAN has started to have, has something to do with frequencies and Luton. Um, okay. Sorry about my English. Yeah. And from this point, we did it every 14 days. Later on every week. And um, the first time 20 people send 30 people, 50 people and said, VT centralized it because too much people training every week. So fry from project. So we start, um, setting up, uh, meetings and free to sign or wedding or somewhere else. Same time we start from cyber convention 2003, 2003, one year later and said, boss Limehouse now, no from summer convention does

the summer convention after we met in Copenhagen again then no, no. Then we, then we set up the summer convention here at sea base in 2003. Right. And then, uh, after that we went to Judas land because there were these, uh, funny farmers from Jewess land who had a much more impressive wifi infrastructure than we had. Okay.

They have this, uh, in in Juris London glass book. They have this, uh, they've got this fantastic sculpture. It's so kind of globe of the world and it's only got one thing on it, which is glass book. And, um, it's definitely at that time it was in fact the center of the wifi world because they managed to, um, build a wired wireless network across the whole of juice land in about 18 months, I think it was covering an entire province with a free wireless network. It was totally impressive. And there was a crazy summer convention. There were, there were people from about 32 different countries turned up from all over the world to fresh Alfre networks, fresh air free networks here to work out how to build

your own networks. That's pretty good.

And then there we came up with this crazy idea of the wild of free information infrastructures.

I'm sorry,

I'm going to have to break this. Yeah, of course. I'm going to have a bit of commercial intervention. Fung RUP uh, Fernie. Uh, eh. Okay. Where is Rob? Well, yes. Uh, and um, yeah, I, I would really like to follow up this conversation with the radio waves radio sphere, radio school project, and we have a bunch of people involved in that. Uh, but before that panel starts, uh, we have a bit of commercial break if we can find Rob. If not, if he in here, he wants to show the gravity. These are the thing.

Maybe, surely just, ah, okay.

Okay. And then we switch channel after this we switched channel.

Okay. Um, but I have to get on YouTube. But, um, yeah, I, I'm going to talk about a period that, um, Alexi came with us to Moscow at the arts catalyst. So Simon, um, from mute already, um, put arts catalyst on his map. Arts catalyst is a science art organization that still exists. I don't work there anymore. And in the early two thousands, we made, uh, some missions to Moscow with Marco Pelikan and dragon UVA, Dino. And we, um, the aim was to take nearly 50 artists into a zero gravity on, uh, the elution MDK, um, airplane, uh, which went up in the air and dived. And, uh, we had 30 seconds of zero gravity and Alexi came to us with a project, a very, very, very, very complicated project. And, um, he said, we said, look, uh, you, we're not sure if we can do the project, but please come to star to Moscow with us because we need someone who can speak Russian. So, um, he came to star city, which is, this was this secret place just outside Moscow where you could go in trained before his flight. And at the training center, we, um, we went into zero gravity. So if you can go on YouTube for me and then I can log in.

Oh yeah. Show that. That's nice also. It might be. Yeah. And then I have a video of him actually in zero G but show that if you like. Yeah. Well while you're doing, while you're finding that I'll carry on talking. So Alexi and I were involved in um, trying to organize a concert from some sound artists from London who actually, um, part of the black audio film collective. Um, and they, they were called, um,

the name is completely gone.

Yeah. It'll come back. Anyway, we had a group of musicians. What? No, not off the list. No, it wasn't on the list. It was Astro, black cosmology, something like that. We're nearly there. It wasn't the odd Lithgo but we did fly the uplift group and we can see them if you want to look at that clip because they're in this, yeah. Okay. YouTube. Okay. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Alexia also helped to interpret during ARBs refold for zero gravity. Very serious. Very funny. So share a little bit of that though to be great at pellets and lots of gold braid and Reggie procedure. Alexi and I, we were there in the cosmonaut bus. We were actually probably in the same cosmonaut bus that took you have a good go. And then, you know, it's so ancient.

do you know we were two hours late. So we arrived and we are going with the musicians to set up at the cosmonaut club and it's very, very wound up. Colonel in the Russian military greeted Alexia and I, and even though we knew he could speak English, came and put his nose two inches away from my nose and started screaming at me in Russian for five minutes and I turned to Alexia and I said, Whoa, what is this guy say? And he's saying, he's trying to decide whether to have you or Boris short first.

Thank you.

I think it's me next. Um, hi, my name's calf. I come from Matthews and I'm, I'm an artist and I'm at Alexi in the early two thousands in London. And, um, it was at a time when I was very busy doing lots of gigs on stage and things like this. And it got to a point where I was like working actually with the theremin and making really detailed, um, what exquisite I thought sound pieces, which were where I was becoming more and more engaged with the idea that this, this, this air that exists in this space, this is the medium that I was working in. And even though I was working totally in sound, I was like, hang on a minute. What about all the other stuff that's going on in air? Okay, I'm using the, I'm using it to be able to make sound, but what about could I work with radio?

And I decided thanks to a commission that came from Elsa black who also worked a lot with Alexi, who unfortunately is not here tonight. That, um, how about actually setting up a radio station and making pieces for radio and then putting radios on the bicycles and sending the bicycles off through the streets and being able to therefore send compositions out onto the street rather than everybody having to come. Can I walk to the left a bit please? So, so the um, um, yes. So that people could hear the music on the street rather than having to come to an ER. Yeah. Sea bass is an amazing place, but let's face it, this is exclusive where people who know about this kind of stuff and how do you get weird experimental music to people on the street? Let's take it out there. So what I was wanting to do was doing it in a way that was moving and that was kind of subtle.

And so let's do it with radio. And, uh, Alexi introduced me to radio and how the hell to set up an FM station in your studio. We put an aerial on the roof. We had to go through the legitimate things that you have to do in the UK. If you get funding, which was by a radio license. We couldn't do it as a pirate. And our little community radio license with a very small transmitter, which we'd only transmit as far as I think the radius is three mile, Oh, sorry, the diameter is three miles from the Ariel. But we did this and uh, it was, it was an extraordinary thing and people, we ran free workshops, um, and we broadcast what we were doing from our free work free workshops via internet actually to the studio and then broadcast and to actually work with FM and to work with this sense of putting sound in space.

And you could hear it through the technology, through the F the frequencies essentially that we're carrying that sound. And then when you lost your connection, so you'd get this really weird, shitty sound and all that kind of radio noise that probably not many people here these days, you know? So that was all part of the experience anyway. People like this stuff. And we got invited to make pieces in other places and then it was like come to Folkston the folks to try Enil. Okay. So the very first project was called radio cycle. And actually at this moment I've just realized that what I should really do, Adam, there's that, that sound piece. What I should tell you about radio cycle was that apart from the fact that we had this 24 hour radio station running from, um, my studio for seven days and lots of different people came and broadcast their favorite stories and pieces of music.

And we had political discussions, we had intellectual discussions of all types. And my neighbor absolutely was totally happy to be up all night doing the graveyard shift and kids would come and sing songs. And the woman who ran the post office came and sang, uh, Indian music. I mean, it was stunning. Um, and we ran these free workshops and connected with the local, uh, emceeing community who came in and did all this rapping stuff as well. So it was pretty extraordinary. But I'd actually like to take the opportunity to play a discussion that we had on the very first day that we broadcast or rather an interview that was between almond OSH and and Alexie where Armin is interviewing dr glimmer, dr Blinn off about, uh, radio and what actually is a radio. And so we had this, this piece that we, uh, that we broke us and I just like to play this too.

It's about three minutes long. Yeah. So the radio station we were running maybe obviously or not, it was called radio cycle. This was in 2002 in East London. You know, in the area that where Simon showed you the map earlier, um, where in actual fact Adam was across the river and he was beaming via microwave or connection to the internet. And I was in a building called, uh, it was right by the Regent's canal region studios. And there were about 40 big studio spaces in there. And there were lots of us in there doing all kinds of stuff. And Adam is actually the person who is giving all our studios connection to the internet. And we were running like these very long ethernet cables all the way along the building to the elevator shafts along through the windows. We were passing them along the windows and uh, to, um, ambient TV. You saw a picture of ambient TV where Alexis doing a lot of the cutting up lots of pipes to do the aerials, all this stuff. And uh, that was where we were. So it was the, that's the piece. Yeah. So let's see.

Thanks.

So this is Amin and LA.

Let me just

but dr I have a more basic question. Um, what kind of waves do we speak about? Um, what are these electromagnetic waves? So what is this weird thing? Waves, electromagnetic waves. Radio waves. Radio waves. Yes. That's actually quite the curious thing cause as far as I'm aware, it's still known, but you need to know is what that actually is. Good afternoon, East London from radio cycle on one on 1.4 F M. so we have these weird things called electromagnetic waves or radio waves and we can use them and we can make a radio program right now. Uh, which functions by using those waves for, we have a transmitter and hopefully somebody out there, hello has a receiver

radio cycle one Oh one for FM phone number 0207923969 seven.

I can actually hear us speak here but we still don't know how it really backs down on the kind of theoretical level. So, but then they also thought that the radio waves, they propagate through the ether but then they found out that there is no such thing as the ether and the radio waves also propagate in there back home and they discovered the delight also drip is through the vacuum, which is also quite to this thing because still nobody knows where the light is. A wave

400 parts, which is quite bizarre thing. So for a few hundred years, the year of ether was really quite suspended. I find it interesting and hard to understand. I mean

if you have a point a and point B and between those points we have um, a wave, an electromagnetic wave, dusted wave actually travel.

See basically they kill weight. There is some substance which basically exists between point a and point B. He's a pressure from which obviously propagates just like in the sea or like an ocean. You've got to have a water. So I don't know if you've got the water, do you have a VT possibility to have a wave, which would be some kind of a trapped, which would be somehow from the restaurant?

Yes. Is that the be quite tightly, yes.

sound wave is simple. That's a wave in the pressure of the AIS is change in the pressure of the air. Yes, that's correct. But dr, if I have a more basic question, um, what kind of waves do we speak about? Uh, what are these electromagnetic waves or,

okay, thank you. Um, so what happened after, uh, how do I move around? Adam? I'm really sorry. I don't understand how the trackpad how does it work? Is it this?

Okay. So, sorry, I'm having problems and he goes, the eating and unfamiliar my laptop. So after radio cycle, um, a few years later I did a couple of other radio pieces and um, with our little antenna and everything, uh, this one, that one. Okay. And so then 2008, we went to Folkston. It's like you who will do a kind of radio cycle type piece in Folkestone work with a bunch of 11 year olds. If you get an opportunity to work with 11 year olds, go for it. They're amazing. And um, but in Folkston it was not possible to use radio because um, the French transistors were knocking our little weak frequency from our little legit British community. Uh, uh, station a and T our transmitter, it was just two weeks. So we were knocked out of the airway. It's all the time. Plus, uh, Folkston is hilly.

So what are we going to do? And um, and Alexi had come with me and Elsa to Folkston to Rakhi the set up and he was going, Oh, well darling, you just have to use, well, we just, we will locate the bikes. We will get, we will track the bikes. You put the music on the bikes and then you track a bicycle and then you send off cycling around and then you get the music to change depending on where the bike is. And I went, wow, great idea. Okay, well how do we do that? So he goes, Oh well you need GPS. So I didn't know what GPS really was then, you know, but this was 2002 and hive networks was inaction. So we uh, he fixed up several um, uh, hive boxes. I think we had, did we have 10 of them? Cause we had 10 Sonic bikes and hopefully I'm going to be able to get down to the bottom of, no, down to the bottom of the page.

Oh look, connection. Connection with, Ooo, hive up here. Okay. Hive networks. So the button, the Marvell project, basically we had a shop in Folkston and we had all our, there we go. We had all our bicycles in there and uh, um, Oh, so a hive networks has gone. It's been appropriate. Okay. There we go. Well that was in fact quite interesting that that happened. Anyway, so we, so we did this and uh, we put our technology on, here we go the Marvel project. I just very briefly wanted to show you. Um, okay. So essentially what we did was we, um, had, um, we had a hive box on the back of a bicycle with a GPS receiver and then I had used this, um, bit of mapping software that uh, Peter Edwards who also worked in Regent studios, um, had designed for me. So essentially we, we worked so that you drew a map, a zone on a map and then gave that zone a name and then you just, um, made a sound file with the same name and then when you cycled through that zone, the sound would play.

I will, I will absolutely add, if you haven't already spotted that, that bike at the top, that is one of our Sonic bikes, it's got speakers on it. So that was a really, really important part of the whole project was to actually be putting stereo on a bicycle and taking that music through the streets so that actually the cyclist became, or the audience member, if you like, became a performer and the accidental passes by on the street could hear this and you know, of course it's really easy to talk about this kind of thing now because it works now. And that was 2008 and we'd done it for the first time and there were really simple little things, hardware issues all the time. Like how do you actually power your hive box on the back of a bicycle? How do you get a decent sound system on a bicycle?

Alexia had this fabulous use of ticktack boxes. Do you remember? Tic Tacs, those little sweets, those little mentees sweets, they were a really good size to put in the bunch of things that you needed, capacities and so forth to sold it together into, to make a little transformer to transform step down the 12 volts we were getting out of the motorbike battery on the back of the box that was running the speakers. And that power needed to step down to run the, uh, to run the hive box. And of course, invariably these little transformers went wrong and they blew up and smoke burnt out and you know, so it was a fairly explosive project, but ultimately actually worked really well. And what happened was the audience could come and find their own, create their own narrative. You know, you pick up a bike from the shop and then you drive through a Folkston and you'd get a, make your own composition depending on where you went. And I'm not really gonna say much more apart from the fact that what has happened is that this very early idea then moved on to, um,. Where do I say more Sobeys? Is Sonic bites. Uh, uh, or I want to actually then show you what happened to the Sonic bike because the Sonic bike, uh, no, not, you know, I don't want to play this video, eh, although it's quite funny. Um,

I spent all day out peaceful structures as well. Great. Did you have a chat one? Yeah. What's going on?

Suddenly you'd get this slight barge sound.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. No, I want it to play.

It's, hold on. Let's see. So that was quite to be by surprise. The just sounds the sounds people talking as well. sounded like deep sea on in most community K two jazz. Very mysterious. I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it a piece cause to me a piece has to have a beginning, a middle, a Lander recapitulation and all the rest of it. But it's really very interesting. I think everyone wants a new school. They've got good looking speakers as well.

Anyway, so, um,

can we go back to the side? Sorry, there's so many by the sun. It bites, don't know. Yes, I know. I know this now.

So, so just to wrap up that actually, the S the Sani bites basically has now moved on with lots of Sonic bites all over the place doing all kinds of projects and that what we ultimately started with Alexi is completely maintaining itself. And that is that their system is not connected to the internet. It's a, it's like you've got your picnic box with all your stuff in it and this is now the size of the box that's carried on a bike and it's actually got a load of sensors on it. So now as you pitch and roll and bend the bikes, so the, the music changes and there's a GPS receiver and the batteries in here that runs the power for it, you know, no more 12 volt battery and speakers and so on. And the speakers are self powered. So that's the bike funded research Institute very much um, kicked off to what it's become. Thanks to Alexi. So there we go.

Right.

Somebody has a question, where are you? Ah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, please. Is it on? Yes, it's on. I wonder

when the bikes meet, uh, many of them in the same mayor area, do they play the song together or they sing and do they make a symphony?

Well, I mean, well, I mean, that's a really great question because that would have been that one of the things that we would have worked on is actually networking the bikes so that they would actually communicate with each other and that they would amplify or destroy or change or distort each other's songs. At the moment. They largely play the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. But they never play in unison because they're always on their own timing.

not last, but, um, I'd like to say something briefly. I met Alexey through James Stephens in about 2001, 2000. Okay. I stand corrected. Um, and we were neighbors in Eastern London, um, and collaborated in a lot of things. Uh, we, uh, did early things with wifi drivers. Um, we, we ported, uh, I imported the first Wi-Fi hardware into the UK at the time. Um, these were not incorporated into what, uh, laptops and so on at the time. These were quite novel, uh, devices. And we thought about trying to appropriate this technology into, um, into networking that was meant to be in an office or a building and to try and extended like, uh, Julian and, uh, James also thought servers. It the thought of the time where we thought this technology exists over radio. Let's try and pervert the intention of this into another form. Uh, connecting people directly rather than through an ISP. And, uh, we, together with Alexi, um, we started working on and porting the old Lake early, uh, Russian, um, port of wifi drivers as well as the, the early Linux drivers for these things. But, um, apart from technology, I'd just like to quickly say that in 2003 I went through a significant line life change and was shuffled off to a London hospital, the London, um, the Royal London hospital in East end of London, where actually the elephant man stayed.

And I was diagnosed after headaches, which geo and Alexi, um, prompted or pushed me into a taxi to go to a hospital. Um, and I spent a week in the Royal London hospital, had a brain scan and was diagnosed with technical thing, a cyst in the S in the former of Mon Monroe. A little thing in the center of the brain that we all have. It's like the lymphatic system. It's a junction where this fluid flows around your brain every 24 hours. Um, I had a cyst that was blocking this flow. The first symptoms were headaches. The next SIS, uh, symptoms were blackouts. And ultimately it's fatal.

After a 12 hour operation, I woke up and many people were around me, James, Alexi, and many others. Um, and, uh, that, that, that was very meaningful. Me, I want to tell this story because it's not about technology. It's about the human being. Alexi and my relationship with him. Not long after that, on one drunk and evening in my flats as a neighbor in this London of Alexie, uh, at least one bottle of bourbon was involved. And, uh, Alexi was having problems. Uh, with his rent. So I loaned him 300 quid or something. And, uh, he rode off at some obscene hour of the evening.

Unfortunately, that evening he was ambushed between two parked cars, riding his bicycle home, only a kilometer or so away and struck on the head with an iron bar. Yes, he was, yeah. Struck in the head in, in the mouth. He was struck unconscious, uh, by this and uh, uh, all his assets and things were stolen at the same time. So the money that I loaned him was gone. And, uh, I believe he was found somehow, I'm not actually sure of the story of how he was found, but I assume, um, an ambulance found him. Um, so on the way home from mine to his, he, he was in hospital with major hair down, teeth injuries. It's a sad style, but I think it's important to put a human perspective on this as well as the, the technical. Um, so when it came to the, uh, Berlin, I think it was, um, I gave a nickname to the both of us and it was attending this conference in Berlin.

That's, and, uh, hanging out at sea base. I sort of christened us as the London head cases because we'd had a unfortunate incidences with, with our heads and it's one of the most enduring like bonding that I had with Alexi as well as of course, the introduction of, uh, Renon Stimpy was a big thing for me and Alexi, you know, this, this childlike wonder combined with animation and really sort of dark in another way. So I just like to sh yeah, I just wanted to share this with you as a more human moment and part of the history of, of something that we went through together. So thank you.

Yeah. Um, uh,

I met Alexie first time and I think it was year 2003 or maybe 2004 in Glasgow during, uh, I think it was mr Easter festival where I sold those, um, crates

or like, uh, trailers rather with, with huge truck batteries. And I was like, what the hell is this? And uh, and, and, and next to the war, these are all girls with those cases that you already saw. And I was like, shit, this is, I was looking at the antenna and like Rick real realizing it was a wifi antenna. And I was like, this is a really amazing, because a couple of years prior to that I, I started playing with, um, like the wifi, you know, in the beginning of 2006, it was sort of a new thing. Uh, a thing that was, that also felt very powerful as in like being able to create your own sort of network infrastructure, regional infrastructure and actually it being rather accessible and cheap and it was such a great, um, toy to play with and all the orders driving and, you know, just sort of uh, um, enjoying it as a sport.

But when I saw, um, um, was it the rich air 2030, I was like, something flipped in my mind and I was like, shit, actually you can, you can, you can do like you can do activist things with it, you can do art with it, you can, you can perform with this, um, infrastructure that is suddenly so, so accessible and so flexible and so right under your fingertips. And, uh, it was the very beginning of my introduction to the networking and this the whole idea of like computer communication. And I was like extremely excited. But then I saw that work and I, it totally changed my vision at that technology that it wasn't, uh, it wasn't, uh, a pragmatic thing anymore. For me. It became, it did become, uh, a tool and artistic tool or a tool for expression. And I'm just saying that too, cause I realized that actually Alexis, uh, work, which, I mean, I saw the work first. I, I actually met him in person I think the year after. But that work has absolutely, um, tremendous, uh, influence on what I was doing at the time. And, and actually I will show you two projects. One is my very early networking project that was directly influenced by the work that, uh, is, was done by people around here, including, um, of course, uh, for iPhone. And, uh, the idea of having to, it's cool,

uh,

the idea of having to develop, um, a notion of, um, what is called Lake TZ, right? The temporal autonomous zone, uh, meaning has to create networks to your own liking, disconnected from the internet, the bomb bile or not, uh, operating by the rules that you decide and, and so on and so forth. And uh, there is, there was one project that is that was called, um, knotless. It was actually developed, um, at the X X, X X, X make micro residency at the time with Martin, uh, Martin house. He's here somewhere. And um, probably those of you who, how do I switch to the other screen?

Alright. There it is. Oh, right. Um,

there'll be definitely, you'll definitely see similarities too. Um, well maybe reach error 20, 30 or many other projects of that kind at the time. The amazing thing is that my self hosted home server just went down and um, those, um, internet resources that I was going to show you. Wait, what is this? Where's the processor?

This computer. There's this, okay. Does this work? No. Where's the browser? Come on. Oh yeah, there is this, oops, this is crazy. What kind of window manager is this? Australian. Where's the browser?

Do you see? This is the browser.

No, this is not the browser. This is the browser. No. Um,

I see the browser here. I can I, can I get the browser up there? Of course you can. Yeah. Thanks. Do it muster. Oh yes. Yes.

Cool.

Well, it, since my home server is down, I'm going to source Google sketch for some images.

Well, it's going to be up to you all right. In the browser. What you want. Yeah,

sorry. I will have to actually, I will have to go to Google, which I don't often do, but this time

I have to and I'm.

I am just really quickly going to show you what, uh, Alexia inspired me, um, at the time. Um, let's see if the cached version of the pages, uh, reliable. No. Oh yeah. You see my home server's down. This is a very frustrating experience having to use someone else's computer. Right. So, um, the idea was actually very simple, uh, that using a modified, uh, uh, wireless router and at the time, Oh yeah. Great. No pictures. Okay. Uh, using your modified wireless router, which was a for narrow, small, narrow device, very extremely hackable. Um, I was modifying this, uh,

devices too from, from being, from being an access point to, to become a, um, and network nodes and network nodes capable of transmitting and receiving data and storing it. And, and those devices were, uh, going to be attached to a public transport. And my first attempt of actually running the system was in London, which I got nearly arrested for doing because, uh, it looked really spooky because I was trying to touch these devices to London buses and I thought like, uh, the network was so, uh, so broad and wide and uh, and like covering the entire city that that would actually make perfect sense to attach a type of like automated sneaker and that device to a bus. And then as the bus traverses the city, it will disseminate, disseminate the data that is stored on the device and the device will receive the data show that, uh, I appear on the fascinator of another device. So you would like swap in automated fashion, you would swap the data between the devices and, um, and that was, it was actually, I had a great time in London and having to um, uh, look at, uh, all the bus routes and, um, diaper kind of imagine, um, a typology of such a network that would of course depend on the flows of, uh, you know, city, city traffic, city public transport and people as well. Uh, but the idea was that, yeah, if there are enough people in the city carrying such devices and, um, once

a string, it was all about like SMS, like messages. Once a new string is being added to one of the devices, eventually, eventually all of the devices, we'll see what, because a single device starts to broadcast it, uh, any other device, uh, any other netlist device coming into his facility will copy the data and rebroadcast that further. And so it was type of like a viral, uh, um, mechanism for spreading information around. Um, the CT later I came up with a small model that was shown that trans museology in 2010. I think. Um, let me see if I can find the Vizio because yeah, we have to look at something that isn't on my home server.

Um, Oh wait, two seconds,

man. How do you use this?

Mmm Hm.

Yeah. Sorry for this. I'm kind of messy browsing because readily for sure he asked me if I want to go say something. I was like, Oh shit, my server is actually down. And, uh, um, this is weird.

I just wanted to show you the model, but, uh, I guess, I guess we can, um, we can skip that part because I don't fucking know anymore where the three is. It's like, really it's been ages ago. Uh, another work that I wanted to show you very quickly is, uh, one of the latest work that Alexia actually, um, had come in contact with about a year ago because banked was here and I, we were in London, uh, setting up, um, setting up, uh, the work called unintended emissions for a show, uh, uh, for his show. Um, called the glass room and we really needed to, uh, work work on our RPS cause we didn't have any, any space. And the venue, uh, was still under sort of renovation. So we were out of options. And, uh, I was, I just emailed Alexia and being like, Hey, can we come and work on our piece? And of course, uh, as he always is, he was like super welcoming and we came there and we spent a couple of days, uh, working on our, um, uh, on our piece and in my mind just having to work in Alexis, uh, space, uh, on this work somehow, like sort of embodied, uh, uh, his presence into the work for me at least. Uh, let just type this out.

Oh no, that's fine. Alright, cool. And uh, C C T, uh, spice there. Yep.

So yeah, this, it's also a wireless related project and uh, it is, um, a way of looking at the, at the, at the, at the, uh, way of mapping out a space, uh, based on, uh, the signal that wireless devices, uh, emit into the air. It's, you can think of it as a, uh, a model of a, um, surveillance system for instance, because it allows you to determine, uh, two dimensional positions of, uh, individuals in space just based on, you know, the unintended radiation that they're, uh, uh, wifi enabled devices, uh, create. And that's a short from the gallery, I think, uh, where the work was installed before and, um, that's how the screen looks. So there is a big projection and on that projection, um, as people get them to the space, uh, their devices appear on the screen in the position approximate to people's positions in a, in a space. Uh, and, uh, it is

it is quite frightening, but, um, it's sort of, um, approaches the wireless spectrum rights I suppose from the other side, you know, not, not attempting to use it, um, for like, um, um, for community purposes or for,

uh, four, four

before any type of communication that actually it, uh, it observes, it observes the spectrum and attempts to, um, earn their leaked, leaked information as, as an attempt to actually raise awareness about, um, you know, how our data, how some of, uh, some type of information, uh, uh, leaks out without even our realization. And, um, just because it's a, it's a radio wave, you know, and even if you cannot decrypt the traffic, you can triangulate and actually figure out the position of a person in space based based on that. And yeah, it's like, it's 20 years, uh, forward, uh, using, uh, a new new generation of, uh, wireless, uh, hardware, obviously with this new, well, relatively new, but really, uh, nice and powerful and open source and hackable, uh,, uh, devices. And, uh, but in the very, um, in the very essence, this is a very similar device to what, um, um, what was the running community wireless networks, uh, if it's in 20 years ago, like the Lynx is a WRC 54 G for instance.

I mean, it's, uh, it's still running up on Wert, um, there and of course, uh, these devices have, uh, much more, uh, processing power and they can even like, uh, shuffle, uh, data in and out. And yeah, we are using, uh, our race of these, uh, actually prefabricated antennas because, um, I have spent many days and weeks, uh, making my own tennis. Uh, but it's gonna it's not really like museum kind of a thing to make, you know, or like if you do want to make an an antenna, of course you can go like really hardcore and, um, uh, create an antenna issue, will look maybe the same and function in the same way. But then, uh, there is a market that already exists that has amazing devices that you can buy these days. Um, and, and, and sort of use them in your, in your own work without having to reinvent the wheel.

But, um, banks can probably take, say a little more about it if he wants to hear about the technical details, but, uh, yeah, the work is intended as a, um, sort of, you know, bringing one's attention to the kind of world we are living in today. You know, and yeah, in, in year 2000 with like, um, reach era 2030. It was, it was fun. It was new, it was exciting and now it is kind of daunting and it's, it's, it's something we need to be thinking about critically. And, uh, I just think like between, uh, between the first work I was showing him this one, the distance is like 15 years and it's kind of interesting to see how like this, the tone of the conversation,

uh,

provoked by the work or both works, how it changed over the course of time. And, um, and other than that, I think throughout my experience of interacting with Alexia, which, which I must say it wasn't a lot, but every time I did see him, I would, I would, I would feel like I, uh, I talked to someone who was, um, so, uh, full of courage and full of, um, this never ending, uh, lust for experimentation. And I think that's like one of the major qualities I carried out from, uh, having to know Alexi is not the fear, uh, to like stick your hands into the guts of the machine and like, and, and just feel kind of free doing whatever, whatever

you can imagine doing like that. Yeah. Spit into it. Spit on third. Yeah, I guess I'll, I'll, I'll, uh, yeah, thank you, Dan. Yeah,

we just want to break in here a bit because it's been a very beautiful testimony last for the last two or three hours and we want to have a bit, a bit of break and we actually have a few performance coming up next. We'll be up. We'll be Martin cows and cab Matthews. S name is here, Ivanka is here. Um, but we can also stretch the ditch a bit. We probably have a bit of arrangement and meanwhile we're going to lead the Mike up here. Any anyone want to come up and say something? You're welcome.

Yeah, this is really important to leave.

Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah.

To leave I think. And also, um, improvise improvisationally. Um, the, uh, people at sea bays have actually, you can see here this lovely white shiny object have set up a theorem and I don't know how many people in the audience have experimented with their admins, but their basis of course is radio and waves. So at some point in the evening or a at an improvisational stage, this has been kindly loaned to, uh, allow people to play with a theremin and to add to the Sonic, uh, uh, uh, ambiance of a room. So please, I hope we have an, uh, an opportunity to do that.

Yeah. We also have graph here. Graph graph. Yup. There he is. Yes. Uh, uh, also he has set up a whole laser lights, uh, which, uh, uh, he has also been collaborating with Alexi over the years. Doing the laser. So the set up over there, so maybe we will have a kind of hop hour reset. Meanwhile, you know, maybe play around and you want to talk and come back with the cat and uh, Martin. Yeah.

Yes. And also just one, one thing for people. Uh, there is some food on a table here. If you're hungry, please do. Um, there was Oh

no, no, no. Actually the whole night someone, uh, uh, the should be always some food. Uh, the musician themselves are actually cooking. So uh, it's just like, uh, they tried to juggle the time.

Oh, personal thing. While no one's really noticing meats, what would you like to eat? Sorry mate. Student piece. Exactly. That's where he came from. That's where, yes. Yeah. Juice. Five stages of acceptance. Anger. Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Watch this. Oh yeah, yeah. I used to as this time I used to, it's a beautiful thing. You know, the whole animated John. I'm animated behind this perverted genius just as much as nobody spoke about the sex and drugs reason. Main point. got it. I like to go out

to me

and trust. Where have you been? Oh, I'm just being on a perilous journey down the treacherous carcass strewn Avenue of despair.

Right?

And it smelled like cheap cigars. Stinky fish. You see, he's like a bowling alley. Oh, you make some strikes if you're lucky, a couple of spares and nobody knows how to keep score, but in the end, you gotta rent ill-fitting smelly shoes at school. In other words,

say you want a southbound train out of Chicago, headed to rapid city traveling at 50 miles an hour.

Bye.

Yeah.

Can you show me the lie? We don't have to

death because these lives. Wait here.

they have our events.

equal action.

don't cry. yeah, no. Oh no. NSS assesses everything is, has this frame from, it's good from the rest. Easy with caucus. Thing is, it's my tree, I swear. You know, technology Johnson.